US Energy Insights with our American Experts

US Energy Insights with our American Experts

Oil, oil, Everywhere! US energy predictions and trends

Hello and welcome back to Freight Up, the number 1 commodities and freight markets podcast from FIS.

I'm your host, Davide, and in this episode of Freight Up, I'm thrilled to bring you a special episode delving into the energy market with my US colleagues.

Joining me today are Daniel and Miguel, as we explore the US energy sector.

Together, we'll be discussing the impact of various factors such as EV cars, oil production, OPEC cuts, monetary policy, and geopolitical tensions on the energy market.

We'll also talk about the nuances of these elements and their implications for the future of the oil market in the year ahead.

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Timestamps

01:00 China's industrial production rises, Bank of Japan raises interest rates, Brent crude prices surge, EU tariffs on grain imports, volatile FFA market movements.

02:00 The Dry Freight FFA market update, Panamaxes and iron ore.

03:54 US market experts Daniel and Miguel on OPEC and inflation.

12:32 Federal Reserve's tightening policy impacts global economy.

16:26 Bunker industry resilient, adapting to new routes.

17:42 Oil prices likely to rise, reaching $80-90.



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We have a very special episode today. Here come the Americans, and

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I'm not talking about the TV series. We are joined by the two US

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colleagues, Danielle and Michael, that are talking about

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the energy american style a little bit. They're giving us their

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insights and predictions on what we can expect

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in the future. Freight up.

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Hello and welcome back to Freight. My name is Davide and I will be your

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host as we navigate the seas of freight and commodities today. We

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have a very special episode for you with a focus on the US energy

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sector with two new guests that you haven't heard before, Daniel Kem

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and Miguel Andouar. Daniel is our senior development executive

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in us, while Miguel is our fuel oil broker and is also based in the

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United States. Fernanda cannot be with us this week, but we shall

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still sail on with this week's episode. But first,

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let's start with our usual roundup of the latest commodity and macro

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news. China's industrial production

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expanded by 7% year on year in January February

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2024 combined, and this was faster than a

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6.8% growth in December 2023.

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The data surpassed market forecast of 5% and this was

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the fastest expansion in industrial output in almost two years. The

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bank of Japan raised its key short term interest rate to

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around 0% to 0.1% from

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-0.1% matching the market expectations

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and ending freight years of negative interest rates. This

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is the first interest rate hike since 2007. Brent

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crude prices hit a four month high above

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$85, with the IEE predicting a

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market deficit due to OpEC plus voluntary cuts. The

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EU is looking to levy tariff on grain imports from Russia

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and Belarus, amounting to a 95 euro per ton

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duty on cereals from the countries.

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The dry freight FFA market renewed its volatile zeal last

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week. Some serious Cape FFA movement on Wednesday, with an

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intraday March contract range of 33,750 to 35

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500 before an afternoon selldown. As

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has been the case this year with the FFA market, the movements on the

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smaller ships were less volatile, but we still saw

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some good news on the prompt contracts. The Panamax

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five TC April contract was at $19,300

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last Tuesday to almost 22,000 on Monday. The Apple

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supermax contract moving from 15,125 last

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Tuesday to 16,075 on Monday. This

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week. Index wise, they printed 33,093

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on the C five TC,

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20,757 on the P five TC,

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14,861 on the stern TC

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and 14,176 on the handy seven

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TC, marginally up on both the Supra and

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the handy index. A good 18% increase on the

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Panamaxis. But four week on week on the

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C five Tc of 2.5%. On the iron ore

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front, the 62% index laid again week on week and went

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down 2.2%, hovering precariously above the

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psychological $100 threshold at 107 and

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$0.90. Fuel oil contracts are both up. The

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high sulfur fuel oil Singh 380 up

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5.5% to $475.48

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and the very low sulfur

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single 5% index is up 3.2%.

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$631.58.

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Daniel Miguel, thank you very, very much for joining us today

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for this US energy special episode. So

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there is a lot that has been going on in the US energy space

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and has been going on for the last couple of years. So just to

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remember, some of the main points has been the Inflation Reduction act,

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which had some huge subsidized for the US companies in the

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green energy and also like in the critical mineral production and

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processing, the growth of Tesla, the new

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political schism between the left and the right on this issue. It will be

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really great to hear your views on the effect on

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the trajectory of the US energy market. The energy

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market is going through an interesting, let's say, moment, to put

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it this way. We have on one side as EV

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cars, especially with Tesla, are growing in the US market. But

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then on the side, we see us oil production as we're seeing the news

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increasing as well. Last year, record level in history at

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12.9 million barrels per day. The tricky part about

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this is that even though we think that we're going clean in one way, when

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you look at the US electric grid, 60% is still fossil

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fuels with like 20% coal or estimate.

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So we're looking like we diversion from fusel fuels, but we use it

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in the back end electric grid as well. So we have to be careful with

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that. And that's what we're looking at it. And we also might be looking

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at an instance scenario where Asia might be looking more

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export, more imports or exports from the United States to Asia as

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well. So that might be related to the oil production as

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we have in development, interested in new routes with the geopolitical

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conflicts in the Red Sea and the issues in the Panama Canal as

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well. Yeah, I would agree with, you know, the war in Ukraine

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is what, two years in? That was a massive supply shock for

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the know. You have countries that used to produce a vast

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amount of oil, like Venezuela, that is literally off the

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market and people are trying to reengage there. So

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the United States basically stepped in as almost,

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albeit a swing producer. Here you have OPEC

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curtailing their production, holding fast to their

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cuts. In 2024, the IEA is

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forecasting that there'll be a slight supply deficit by the end of the

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year. Oil inventories are, while not on their

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lows, are still below the five year average.

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So there are some real underlying

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physical reasons why the energy

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markets continue to be supported. Two days ago, you had a

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drone attack on a russian refinery. That's going to create some

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supply issues for diesel and gasoline in Europe, I would

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imagine. And they're going to need to see

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some cargoes and some shipments, probably from the US or diverted

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from Asia or something like that. Maybe. But it's an interesting

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setup for the summer driving season, which is going to basically kick off

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in another month, month and a half. I'm glad they brought up the

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OPec cuts. And that's something always, as you probably know as well,

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that always take that with a grain of salt. Because

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historically speaking, when we look at OPEC agreements, they struggle to

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put it in one way, to meet their quotas or to fulfill the

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promises and their quotas, because they all have different agendas, they all

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have different policies, and starting from Russia and

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Saudi Arabia. So we have to look at, even though I'm personally

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bullish in the second quarter, end of this quarter, second quarter.

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But based on the OPEC cuts, I take it with a grain of salt.

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Based on their previous history or not fulfilling their promises.

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Yeah. Miguel. Daniel, just to jump in 1 second,

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because you have actually been potentially

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reading my mind, because there was actually one of the follow up questions that I

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had and is about specifically the OPEC plus

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cuts. So as you mentioned, we've been following the news

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about the production cuts. Also very recently,

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Iraq has decided to join again, like, and

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cut the exports to 3.3 million barrels a day in the coming

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months. And then, as Daniel pointed out earlier, there we have the

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US that seems to be raising the supply, and then we have

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the latest news from the US Energy Information

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Administration that raised the outlook by 260,000

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barrels per day to 13.19 million barrels. So my

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question is connected a little bit to what you say before. Do you think

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that these increase in supply will contribute to offset

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the effects that are coming from the OPEC plus production

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cut? No, I mean, first and foremost, look, we're all

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old oil guys when it comes to OPEC. You buy the rumor, you sell the

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fact, right? That was the old adage. In the

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markets, you have a lot of countries, a lot of

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economies in the countries in the Middle east that

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have become very dependent upon a price point for

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oil that is quite high, and they're doing

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everything they can to keep it above

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$75 a barrel area

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and the Saudis need for their

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economy. I read some of the Saudis needed plus $80 crude

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oil to balance their budget on their expenditures

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for the year. So I do think that there are going to be

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supply shocks and disruptions, which is why I

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think it's really important for our clients to

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be speaking to our brokers and to be talking to them on a

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daily or at least weekly basis to hear

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what our brokers are seeing and what they're seeing going on in

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the marketplace, because I think there is a

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definite correlation going on with the price of

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energy and inflation. You are seeing

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a persistently high energy price, and the cost of

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what it's doing to goods and services are just getting passed through the

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economy to the consumer. It's creating a ticklish situation

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for central banks, because central banks want to cut

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rates again and stimulate the economy and do things like this. But

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if oil services stay high and energy prices in particular

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stay high, you're going to have inflationary

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pressures that might not allow these central banks to do

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that. You have Wall street in the marketplace right now talking

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about the Fed is meeting right now. So the market

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expects the Fed to come out of the meeting after 02:00 p.m. On Wednesday

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and say that they're going to leave rates unchanged. And they expect that in

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the next meeting, but they're expecting after that rate cuts to come

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in. And if you get persistently high energy prices

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and that translates into high inflationary

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numbers, I don't think you're going to see that. And to Dan's

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point and ritual perspective, when you look in context, I think that the

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key component here for the OPEC going to be the Saudis. And

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on like 2014, which was a different purpose, they

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were pursuing market share, as Dan was pointing out, right now, they're looking

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for a point price, a price above 80s, based on the

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commitments they have made for public policy, balancing their budget.

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So they're looking on a particular price more than market share.

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So it's a different context in 2014, when they

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pretty much flood the market to take us shale production out of the

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market. So that's a very good point too, as well. And to

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Dan's point as well, when you look at increases energy prices,

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which is one of the main factors for inflation, you look at the last data

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of the United States. As inflation data went up, consumption

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decreased, which is equivalent to like two thirds of the GDP of the

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US. So that's something to take into consideration as

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well. And following back on that,

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actually, if you will allow me, I'd like to move on one of my

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personal favorite topics, which is monetary policy, because of

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my previous work experiences. So we have mentioned

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earlier that Japan has finally changed its

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monetary policy stance after eight years of negative

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interest rates in us. As Dan said, we're waiting for the Fed. But

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we should also remember that the inflation figures have been

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higher than the consensus both for January and

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February. As you've mentioned, energy prices are one of the things that

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are closely looked by the central banks, and they contribute

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to shape the monetary policy stance. So I would like to look

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together with you maybe a little bit of the correlation, the relation

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between these two factors, and how do they really influence each other.

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So, Miguel, maybe we can start with you also, because you recently wrote an

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article on that specific topic, didn't you? Yeah. In terms

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of the monetary policy, especially the Federal Reserve,

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because we all buy and sell in dollars all around the

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globe. In my recent article, I was making an emphasis

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that for the last year, I guess I believe

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it was from July of 2022 until July

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of 2023, we experienced one of the most

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aggressive, tightening policies from the Federal Reserve in the last 40

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years and went from zero point 25 to

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5.25, which we know we're an economy, a

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financialization economy. Everything is based on borrowing. So that increased

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the cost of borrowing, but also it tried to pursue the strength of the

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US dollar, trying to fight inflation. But going back to what Dan said,

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inflation has a lot to do with the energy in these days. Now, on the

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flip side of that, as you strength the dollar, if you buy and sell in

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dollars, the stronger the dollar is, the less dollars you're going to

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need to buy your crude oil. So it's a very strong

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correlation. When you look through history of the US dollar strength and

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the crude oil prices for Brent, for Europe, and also for the WTI

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in the United States, when you look at the last 180 days,

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200 days, you have a correlation around the 75%, which

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is pretty strong. So even though the sentiment has

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changed, respecting that, for this meeting, the Federal Reserve

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was supposed to start cutting interest rates based

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on the last data that we mentioned before, with inflation still

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persists, it seems like the consensus now has changed that they're not cutting

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rates, the expectations for the markets is that they're going to

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stay put. But I think that's just one of the

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scenarios for the oil prices. I still believe that they're still going to go

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up based on other reasons such as supply and demand. And

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as Dan was saying as well, with the cuts with OPEC and the United

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States trying to balance out that cut from the OPEC.

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And it will be interesting what Japan does today as well, because it might

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create a dominant effect on the asian currencies as

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well. So like we've mentioned the

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OPEC cuts, we've mentioned monetary policy. I'd like to

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bring on the third guest, so to say, to our table,

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which will be the geopolitical tensions. And as

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everybody is aware there FIS some ongoing geopolitical

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tensions in the Red Sea. They're pushing in general, like the shipping

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companies, to actually reconsider the current routes on one end. If you're

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opting for a safer but longer route, which is not

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going through the Gulf of Aiden, where you're going to have potential houthi

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attacks on the other side, the road is going to be longer and then therefore

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it's going to cost you more. What are the effects of this decision on the

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prices in the medium and long term? First of all,

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with over 28 years of experience in the oil markets, I was kind of

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impressed at how well the market absorbed

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the initial shocks of the Houthi rebel

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attacking shipping and whatnot. I mean, prices got firmer, but

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prices didn't really explode to the upside either.

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And it's a situation that unfortunately, FIS not going to

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go away, at least until the israeli offensive

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into the rest of Gaza is

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completed. And even then I'm sure it probably will stick around.

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So I think it's just something the market's going to have to deal with,

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or more correctly, the navies of certain countries

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are going to have to deal with. But you also have the

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russian situation. Both sides are firmly entrenched in

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their beliefs and their militia, and that's a situation

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that's not going away either. So I would

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have to think that the geopolitical shocks

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are going to be something that the market is just going to have to deal

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with on a daily or weekly or monthly basis. They don't seem to

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be situations that are going away. I'm actually surprised

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by the resilience of the bunker industry adapting

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to new routes, which it does implied that when you look at the map, you

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see that in order to make fulfill your orders, you have to do to

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be on the safe side to use alternative routes, which

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implied in sometimes two weeks, even 20

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plus days, which eventually will show up

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on the increase in consumption of bunker fuels, marine

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gas, oil, as well it's an interesting route that is developing as we speak, which

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it combined two things, two elements, what we spoke before about OPEC

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cuts and also the alternative routes, which is going to eventually

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push Asia markets to look more for oil consumption,

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similar to what happened with natural gas in the United States and Europe,

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but mainly on the, I would say the west coast, which is a

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shorter route, but also on the Gulf coast as well. But overall,

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I am actually surprised, as Dan said, they wouldn't be able to absorb the

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shock for this long. In other circumstances, I think would

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be much, much worse in terms of price spikes. If you ask me

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if you could. Express in just like 1 minute your main thoughts, your

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main predictions for this year for the oil market, what do you think it's going

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to be? Daniel, maybe we can start with you. I would think prices stay

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supported. There's all the reasons that we just spoke

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know, the tightness in supply, the low oil

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inventories across the board. I mean diesel and

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gasoline also. But I would think that we're

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in late March entering into driving

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season. I would really look at Ti to trade

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in a, and barring any kind of black swan event

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between 75 to 77 and

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85, and then if supplies continue

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to tighten in the second half of the year, I would think you would have

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to raise that band to an $80 to $90 price

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range. And that also doesn't take into effect that those

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little black swan events that come across every once in a while. I would

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look for that kind of pricing structure going forward. Miguel

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one of my roles was data analysis back in the day. And I always say

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numbers don't lie. Besides the OPEC and besides the United

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States production, I think what is my main concern has

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been inventory, commercial inventory in the United States, a

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global inventory. As Dan was saying, we're heading to driving season.

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And you look at how much inventory we have, it seems like it's a health

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inventory, but it's 5% under the season

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average. And we increase in consumption by

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1.7 based on the last revision from the International

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Energy Agency. And you look at derivatives like

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diesel is 7% under the five season average. So

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for me that's more of a concern than anything. As we get into driving

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season, as we all know, Americans won't stop

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driving and I think the world won't stop

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moving either. So my concern is that, and that's why I remain bullish

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for the remainder of the year. And I look at from technical analysis

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perspective, as we spent like three months in a tight range,

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we're out of that range. And now it seems like we're going to get for

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the brand on the 90s before the end of this first quarter and

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maybe the 85 area for the WTI. Thank

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you very much, Miguel. And thank you very much, Daniel. I mean, we could still

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see here for another hour or two, but I think that the podcast episode

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will be probably too long, but we should do it again. And thank you

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very much for joining us. Thank you very much for having me. I really

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appreciate it. Thanks for having me. And that's

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