Oil, oil, Everywhere! US energy predictions and trends
Hello and welcome back to Freight Up, the number 1 commodities and freight markets podcast from FIS.
I'm your host, Davide, and in this episode of Freight Up, I'm thrilled to bring you a special episode delving into the energy market with my US colleagues.
Joining me today are Daniel and Miguel, as we explore the US energy sector.
Together, we'll be discussing the impact of various factors such as EV cars, oil production, OPEC cuts, monetary policy, and geopolitical tensions on the energy market.
We'll also talk about the nuances of these elements and their implications for the future of the oil market in the year ahead.
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Timestamps
01:00 China's industrial production rises, Bank of Japan raises interest rates, Brent crude prices surge, EU tariffs on grain imports, volatile FFA market movements.
02:00 The Dry Freight FFA market update, Panamaxes and iron ore.
03:54 US market experts Daniel and Miguel on OPEC and inflation.
12:32 Federal Reserve's tightening policy impacts global economy.
16:26 Bunker industry resilient, adapting to new routes.
17:42 Oil prices likely to rise, reaching $80-90.
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We have a very special episode today. Here come the Americans, and
Speaker:I'm not talking about the TV series. We are joined by the two US
Speaker:colleagues, Danielle and Michael, that are talking about
Speaker:the energy american style a little bit. They're giving us their
Speaker:insights and predictions on what we can expect
Speaker:in the future. Freight up.
Speaker:Hello and welcome back to Freight. My name is Davide and I will be your
Speaker:host as we navigate the seas of freight and commodities today. We
Speaker:have a very special episode for you with a focus on the US energy
Speaker:sector with two new guests that you haven't heard before, Daniel Kem
Speaker:and Miguel Andouar. Daniel is our senior development executive
Speaker:in us, while Miguel is our fuel oil broker and is also based in the
Speaker:United States. Fernanda cannot be with us this week, but we shall
Speaker:still sail on with this week's episode. But first,
Speaker:let's start with our usual roundup of the latest commodity and macro
Speaker:news. China's industrial production
Speaker:expanded by 7% year on year in January February
Speaker:2024 combined, and this was faster than a
Speaker:6.8% growth in December 2023.
Speaker:The data surpassed market forecast of 5% and this was
Speaker:the fastest expansion in industrial output in almost two years. The
Speaker:bank of Japan raised its key short term interest rate to
Speaker:around 0% to 0.1% from
Speaker:-0.1% matching the market expectations
Speaker:and ending freight years of negative interest rates. This
Speaker:is the first interest rate hike since 2007. Brent
Speaker:crude prices hit a four month high above
Speaker:$85, with the IEE predicting a
Speaker:market deficit due to OpEC plus voluntary cuts. The
Speaker:EU is looking to levy tariff on grain imports from Russia
Speaker:and Belarus, amounting to a 95 euro per ton
Speaker:duty on cereals from the countries.
Speaker:The dry freight FFA market renewed its volatile zeal last
Speaker:week. Some serious Cape FFA movement on Wednesday, with an
Speaker:intraday March contract range of 33,750 to 35
Speaker:500 before an afternoon selldown. As
Speaker:has been the case this year with the FFA market, the movements on the
Speaker:smaller ships were less volatile, but we still saw
Speaker:some good news on the prompt contracts. The Panamax
Speaker:five TC April contract was at $19,300
Speaker:last Tuesday to almost 22,000 on Monday. The Apple
Speaker:supermax contract moving from 15,125 last
Speaker:Tuesday to 16,075 on Monday. This
Speaker:week. Index wise, they printed 33,093
Speaker:on the C five TC,
Speaker:20,757 on the P five TC,
Speaker:14,861 on the stern TC
Speaker:and 14,176 on the handy seven
Speaker:TC, marginally up on both the Supra and
Speaker:the handy index. A good 18% increase on the
Speaker:Panamaxis. But four week on week on the
Speaker:C five Tc of 2.5%. On the iron ore
Speaker:front, the 62% index laid again week on week and went
Speaker:down 2.2%, hovering precariously above the
Speaker:psychological $100 threshold at 107 and
Speaker:$0.90. Fuel oil contracts are both up. The
Speaker:high sulfur fuel oil Singh 380 up
Speaker:5.5% to $475.48
Speaker:and the very low sulfur
Speaker:single 5% index is up 3.2%.
Speaker:$631.58.
Speaker:Daniel Miguel, thank you very, very much for joining us today
Speaker:for this US energy special episode. So
Speaker:there is a lot that has been going on in the US energy space
Speaker:and has been going on for the last couple of years. So just to
Speaker:remember, some of the main points has been the Inflation Reduction act,
Speaker:which had some huge subsidized for the US companies in the
Speaker:green energy and also like in the critical mineral production and
Speaker:processing, the growth of Tesla, the new
Speaker:political schism between the left and the right on this issue. It will be
Speaker:really great to hear your views on the effect on
Speaker:the trajectory of the US energy market. The energy
Speaker:market is going through an interesting, let's say, moment, to put
Speaker:it this way. We have on one side as EV
Speaker:cars, especially with Tesla, are growing in the US market. But
Speaker:then on the side, we see us oil production as we're seeing the news
Speaker:increasing as well. Last year, record level in history at
Speaker:12.9 million barrels per day. The tricky part about
Speaker:this is that even though we think that we're going clean in one way, when
Speaker:you look at the US electric grid, 60% is still fossil
Speaker:fuels with like 20% coal or estimate.
Speaker:So we're looking like we diversion from fusel fuels, but we use it
Speaker:in the back end electric grid as well. So we have to be careful with
Speaker:that. And that's what we're looking at it. And we also might be looking
Speaker:at an instance scenario where Asia might be looking more
Speaker:export, more imports or exports from the United States to Asia as
Speaker:well. So that might be related to the oil production as
Speaker:we have in development, interested in new routes with the geopolitical
Speaker:conflicts in the Red Sea and the issues in the Panama Canal as
Speaker:well. Yeah, I would agree with, you know, the war in Ukraine
Speaker:is what, two years in? That was a massive supply shock for
Speaker:the know. You have countries that used to produce a vast
Speaker:amount of oil, like Venezuela, that is literally off the
Speaker:market and people are trying to reengage there. So
Speaker:the United States basically stepped in as almost,
Speaker:albeit a swing producer. Here you have OPEC
Speaker:curtailing their production, holding fast to their
Speaker:cuts. In 2024, the IEA is
Speaker:forecasting that there'll be a slight supply deficit by the end of the
Speaker:year. Oil inventories are, while not on their
Speaker:lows, are still below the five year average.
Speaker:So there are some real underlying
Speaker:physical reasons why the energy
Speaker:markets continue to be supported. Two days ago, you had a
Speaker:drone attack on a russian refinery. That's going to create some
Speaker:supply issues for diesel and gasoline in Europe, I would
Speaker:imagine. And they're going to need to see
Speaker:some cargoes and some shipments, probably from the US or diverted
Speaker:from Asia or something like that. Maybe. But it's an interesting
Speaker:setup for the summer driving season, which is going to basically kick off
Speaker:in another month, month and a half. I'm glad they brought up the
Speaker:OPec cuts. And that's something always, as you probably know as well,
Speaker:that always take that with a grain of salt. Because
Speaker:historically speaking, when we look at OPEC agreements, they struggle to
Speaker:put it in one way, to meet their quotas or to fulfill the
Speaker:promises and their quotas, because they all have different agendas, they all
Speaker:have different policies, and starting from Russia and
Speaker:Saudi Arabia. So we have to look at, even though I'm personally
Speaker:bullish in the second quarter, end of this quarter, second quarter.
Speaker:But based on the OPEC cuts, I take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker:Based on their previous history or not fulfilling their promises.
Speaker:Yeah. Miguel. Daniel, just to jump in 1 second,
Speaker:because you have actually been potentially
Speaker:reading my mind, because there was actually one of the follow up questions that I
Speaker:had and is about specifically the OPEC plus
Speaker:cuts. So as you mentioned, we've been following the news
Speaker:about the production cuts. Also very recently,
Speaker:Iraq has decided to join again, like, and
Speaker:cut the exports to 3.3 million barrels a day in the coming
Speaker:months. And then, as Daniel pointed out earlier, there we have the
Speaker:US that seems to be raising the supply, and then we have
Speaker:the latest news from the US Energy Information
Speaker:Administration that raised the outlook by 260,000
Speaker:barrels per day to 13.19 million barrels. So my
Speaker:question is connected a little bit to what you say before. Do you think
Speaker:that these increase in supply will contribute to offset
Speaker:the effects that are coming from the OPEC plus production
Speaker:cut? No, I mean, first and foremost, look, we're all
Speaker:old oil guys when it comes to OPEC. You buy the rumor, you sell the
Speaker:fact, right? That was the old adage. In the
Speaker:markets, you have a lot of countries, a lot of
Speaker:economies in the countries in the Middle east that
Speaker:have become very dependent upon a price point for
Speaker:oil that is quite high, and they're doing
Speaker:everything they can to keep it above
Speaker:$75 a barrel area
Speaker:and the Saudis need for their
Speaker:economy. I read some of the Saudis needed plus $80 crude
Speaker:oil to balance their budget on their expenditures
Speaker:for the year. So I do think that there are going to be
Speaker:supply shocks and disruptions, which is why I
Speaker:think it's really important for our clients to
Speaker:be speaking to our brokers and to be talking to them on a
Speaker:daily or at least weekly basis to hear
Speaker:what our brokers are seeing and what they're seeing going on in
Speaker:the marketplace, because I think there is a
Speaker:definite correlation going on with the price of
Speaker:energy and inflation. You are seeing
Speaker:a persistently high energy price, and the cost of
Speaker:what it's doing to goods and services are just getting passed through the
Speaker:economy to the consumer. It's creating a ticklish situation
Speaker:for central banks, because central banks want to cut
Speaker:rates again and stimulate the economy and do things like this. But
Speaker:if oil services stay high and energy prices in particular
Speaker:stay high, you're going to have inflationary
Speaker:pressures that might not allow these central banks to do
Speaker:that. You have Wall street in the marketplace right now talking
Speaker:about the Fed is meeting right now. So the market
Speaker:expects the Fed to come out of the meeting after 02:00 p.m. On Wednesday
Speaker:and say that they're going to leave rates unchanged. And they expect that in
Speaker:the next meeting, but they're expecting after that rate cuts to come
Speaker:in. And if you get persistently high energy prices
Speaker:and that translates into high inflationary
Speaker:numbers, I don't think you're going to see that. And to Dan's
Speaker:point and ritual perspective, when you look in context, I think that the
Speaker:key component here for the OPEC going to be the Saudis. And
Speaker:on like 2014, which was a different purpose, they
Speaker:were pursuing market share, as Dan was pointing out, right now, they're looking
Speaker:for a point price, a price above 80s, based on the
Speaker:commitments they have made for public policy, balancing their budget.
Speaker:So they're looking on a particular price more than market share.
Speaker:So it's a different context in 2014, when they
Speaker:pretty much flood the market to take us shale production out of the
Speaker:market. So that's a very good point too, as well. And to
Speaker:Dan's point as well, when you look at increases energy prices,
Speaker:which is one of the main factors for inflation, you look at the last data
Speaker:of the United States. As inflation data went up, consumption
Speaker:decreased, which is equivalent to like two thirds of the GDP of the
Speaker:US. So that's something to take into consideration as
Speaker:well. And following back on that,
Speaker:actually, if you will allow me, I'd like to move on one of my
Speaker:personal favorite topics, which is monetary policy, because of
Speaker:my previous work experiences. So we have mentioned
Speaker:earlier that Japan has finally changed its
Speaker:monetary policy stance after eight years of negative
Speaker:interest rates in us. As Dan said, we're waiting for the Fed. But
Speaker:we should also remember that the inflation figures have been
Speaker:higher than the consensus both for January and
Speaker:February. As you've mentioned, energy prices are one of the things that
Speaker:are closely looked by the central banks, and they contribute
Speaker:to shape the monetary policy stance. So I would like to look
Speaker:together with you maybe a little bit of the correlation, the relation
Speaker:between these two factors, and how do they really influence each other.
Speaker:So, Miguel, maybe we can start with you also, because you recently wrote an
Speaker:article on that specific topic, didn't you? Yeah. In terms
Speaker:of the monetary policy, especially the Federal Reserve,
Speaker:because we all buy and sell in dollars all around the
Speaker:globe. In my recent article, I was making an emphasis
Speaker:that for the last year, I guess I believe
Speaker:it was from July of 2022 until July
Speaker:of 2023, we experienced one of the most
Speaker:aggressive, tightening policies from the Federal Reserve in the last 40
Speaker:years and went from zero point 25 to
Speaker:5.25, which we know we're an economy, a
Speaker:financialization economy. Everything is based on borrowing. So that increased
Speaker:the cost of borrowing, but also it tried to pursue the strength of the
Speaker:US dollar, trying to fight inflation. But going back to what Dan said,
Speaker:inflation has a lot to do with the energy in these days. Now, on the
Speaker:flip side of that, as you strength the dollar, if you buy and sell in
Speaker:dollars, the stronger the dollar is, the less dollars you're going to
Speaker:need to buy your crude oil. So it's a very strong
Speaker:correlation. When you look through history of the US dollar strength and
Speaker:the crude oil prices for Brent, for Europe, and also for the WTI
Speaker:in the United States, when you look at the last 180 days,
Speaker:200 days, you have a correlation around the 75%, which
Speaker:is pretty strong. So even though the sentiment has
Speaker:changed, respecting that, for this meeting, the Federal Reserve
Speaker:was supposed to start cutting interest rates based
Speaker:on the last data that we mentioned before, with inflation still
Speaker:persists, it seems like the consensus now has changed that they're not cutting
Speaker:rates, the expectations for the markets is that they're going to
Speaker:stay put. But I think that's just one of the
Speaker:scenarios for the oil prices. I still believe that they're still going to go
Speaker:up based on other reasons such as supply and demand. And
Speaker:as Dan was saying as well, with the cuts with OPEC and the United
Speaker:States trying to balance out that cut from the OPEC.
Speaker:And it will be interesting what Japan does today as well, because it might
Speaker:create a dominant effect on the asian currencies as
Speaker:well. So like we've mentioned the
Speaker:OPEC cuts, we've mentioned monetary policy. I'd like to
Speaker:bring on the third guest, so to say, to our table,
Speaker:which will be the geopolitical tensions. And as
Speaker:everybody is aware there FIS some ongoing geopolitical
Speaker:tensions in the Red Sea. They're pushing in general, like the shipping
Speaker:companies, to actually reconsider the current routes on one end. If you're
Speaker:opting for a safer but longer route, which is not
Speaker:going through the Gulf of Aiden, where you're going to have potential houthi
Speaker:attacks on the other side, the road is going to be longer and then therefore
Speaker:it's going to cost you more. What are the effects of this decision on the
Speaker:prices in the medium and long term? First of all,
Speaker:with over 28 years of experience in the oil markets, I was kind of
Speaker:impressed at how well the market absorbed
Speaker:the initial shocks of the Houthi rebel
Speaker:attacking shipping and whatnot. I mean, prices got firmer, but
Speaker:prices didn't really explode to the upside either.
Speaker:And it's a situation that unfortunately, FIS not going to
Speaker:go away, at least until the israeli offensive
Speaker:into the rest of Gaza is
Speaker:completed. And even then I'm sure it probably will stick around.
Speaker:So I think it's just something the market's going to have to deal with,
Speaker:or more correctly, the navies of certain countries
Speaker:are going to have to deal with. But you also have the
Speaker:russian situation. Both sides are firmly entrenched in
Speaker:their beliefs and their militia, and that's a situation
Speaker:that's not going away either. So I would
Speaker:have to think that the geopolitical shocks
Speaker:are going to be something that the market is just going to have to deal
Speaker:with on a daily or weekly or monthly basis. They don't seem to
Speaker:be situations that are going away. I'm actually surprised
Speaker:by the resilience of the bunker industry adapting
Speaker:to new routes, which it does implied that when you look at the map, you
Speaker:see that in order to make fulfill your orders, you have to do to
Speaker:be on the safe side to use alternative routes, which
Speaker:implied in sometimes two weeks, even 20
Speaker:plus days, which eventually will show up
Speaker:on the increase in consumption of bunker fuels, marine
Speaker:gas, oil, as well it's an interesting route that is developing as we speak, which
Speaker:it combined two things, two elements, what we spoke before about OPEC
Speaker:cuts and also the alternative routes, which is going to eventually
Speaker:push Asia markets to look more for oil consumption,
Speaker:similar to what happened with natural gas in the United States and Europe,
Speaker:but mainly on the, I would say the west coast, which is a
Speaker:shorter route, but also on the Gulf coast as well. But overall,
Speaker:I am actually surprised, as Dan said, they wouldn't be able to absorb the
Speaker:shock for this long. In other circumstances, I think would
Speaker:be much, much worse in terms of price spikes. If you ask me
Speaker:if you could. Express in just like 1 minute your main thoughts, your
Speaker:main predictions for this year for the oil market, what do you think it's going
Speaker:to be? Daniel, maybe we can start with you. I would think prices stay
Speaker:supported. There's all the reasons that we just spoke
Speaker:know, the tightness in supply, the low oil
Speaker:inventories across the board. I mean diesel and
Speaker:gasoline also. But I would think that we're
Speaker:in late March entering into driving
Speaker:season. I would really look at Ti to trade
Speaker:in a, and barring any kind of black swan event
Speaker:between 75 to 77 and
Speaker:85, and then if supplies continue
Speaker:to tighten in the second half of the year, I would think you would have
Speaker:to raise that band to an $80 to $90 price
Speaker:range. And that also doesn't take into effect that those
Speaker:little black swan events that come across every once in a while. I would
Speaker:look for that kind of pricing structure going forward. Miguel
Speaker:one of my roles was data analysis back in the day. And I always say
Speaker:numbers don't lie. Besides the OPEC and besides the United
Speaker:States production, I think what is my main concern has
Speaker:been inventory, commercial inventory in the United States, a
Speaker:global inventory. As Dan was saying, we're heading to driving season.
Speaker:And you look at how much inventory we have, it seems like it's a health
Speaker:inventory, but it's 5% under the season
Speaker:average. And we increase in consumption by
Speaker:1.7 based on the last revision from the International
Speaker:Energy Agency. And you look at derivatives like
Speaker:diesel is 7% under the five season average. So
Speaker:for me that's more of a concern than anything. As we get into driving
Speaker:season, as we all know, Americans won't stop
Speaker:driving and I think the world won't stop
Speaker:moving either. So my concern is that, and that's why I remain bullish
Speaker:for the remainder of the year. And I look at from technical analysis
Speaker:perspective, as we spent like three months in a tight range,
Speaker:we're out of that range. And now it seems like we're going to get for
Speaker:the brand on the 90s before the end of this first quarter and
Speaker:maybe the 85 area for the WTI. Thank
Speaker:you very much, Miguel. And thank you very much, Daniel. I mean, we could still
Speaker:see here for another hour or two, but I think that the podcast episode
Speaker:will be probably too long, but we should do it again. And thank you
Speaker:very much for joining us. Thank you very much for having me. I really
Speaker:appreciate it. Thanks for having me. And that's
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