Welcome back to "Freight Up," your go-to podcast for insights into the major freight and bulk commodity markets.
I'm your host, Davide, and this episode features our man in Shanghai, Hao Pei, who will dissect the recent news out of China and its impact on the iron ore market.
Archie Smith and Ben Klang will provide their analyses on the oil markets and freight rates, respectively.
We'll kick things off with a review of key economic indicators, including the European Central Bank's recent interest rate cut and the US employment data for May.
Then, Hao Pei will discuss rumours of China's potential refinancing project for affordable housing and its implications for iron ore.
Archie will shed light on fuel oil trends post-OPEC meeting and the surprising rally in high-sulphur fuel oil.
Finally, Ben will give an overview of FFA rates and the physical market developments, including iron ore and coal demand fluctuations.
Listen in for an information-packed episode that promises to keep you informed on all things freight and commodities.
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Timestamped summary
00:00 US economy added 272,000 jobs in May.
04:11 Iron ore market fluctuations, China housing support.
07:31 August Brent future benchmark fluctuated, up with demand.
12:11 Baltic Exchange rates rose with demand support.
14:01 Pacific shipping market fluctuates amidst demand changes.
Freight up hello
Speaker:and welcome back to freight up. My name is Davide and today I will be
Speaker:your host as we navigate the major freight and bull commodity markets.
Speaker:In this episode, our expert Haupei will explain us what the latest
Speaker:news in China mean for the iron ore market, and our
Speaker:usual guests Archie Smith and Ben Klang will give
Speaker:us their takes on the oil markets and the freight
Speaker:markets. But as usual, lets take a look at the
Speaker:latest news and the index movements since our last
Speaker:episode. The European Central bank has
Speaker:lowered the three key interest rates by 25 basis points in
Speaker:June, in line with market expectations. The main
Speaker:refinancing operations rate was lower to 4.25%,
Speaker:the deposit facility rate to 3.75% and the
Speaker:marginal lending rate to 4.5%. The UK
Speaker:economy remains stable in April after a 0.5%
Speaker:rise in March. The GDP reading is at the weakest performance in
Speaker:four months. The US economy had the
Speaker:272,000 jobs in May
Speaker:2024, the most in five months compared to a downwardly
Speaker:revised 165,000 in April and well above the
Speaker:forecast of 185,000. The core
Speaker:inflation rate in US, which is excluding volatile
Speaker:items such as food and energy prices, rose by
Speaker:0.2% month on month, moderating from the
Speaker:0.3% increase in April. The annual korean
Speaker:consumer price rate eased to a three year low of
Speaker:3.5% in May, 3.4% in
Speaker:May, down from 3.6 in the previous month.
Speaker:Consumer prices in US were unchanged in May month on
Speaker:monthly, and the annual inflation rate eased unexpectedly to
Speaker:3.3%, hitting the lowest in three months.
Speaker:Looking at the broad movements in the markets of the last
Speaker:two weeks, we can have a very quick look in comparison to what
Speaker:happened on the 4 June. In terms
Speaker:of indexes, the four baskets have been mostly stable and positive
Speaker:in comparison to the 4 June. Its worn northing a
Speaker:plus 16% or $2,500 on the
Speaker:P five Dc, which printed at
Speaker:$17,585. We see more
Speaker:modest gains on the other ships, with the S ten
Speaker:Tc up $1,065 and the
Speaker:c five Tc up 446%
Speaker:at $24,595.
Speaker:Lastly, stable the h seven Tc
Speaker:at $13,050.
Speaker:After the drop from the highs of $120 a tonne.
Speaker:Iron ore has stabilized at $106, not that far from the
Speaker:107 $208 threshold in
Speaker:China. There have been rumors about a possible refinancing project for
Speaker:affordable housing. What's the effect of this news on the
Speaker:market? Stay tuned. We will have a chat with Hao Pei about it.
Speaker:And finally looking at the fuel oils, they've been
Speaker:both positive. The sing 380 is up to
Speaker:$502.10 from
Speaker:$494.22 and the single
Speaker:five is up $30 at
Speaker:$591.18.
Speaker:And now we have Haupei, our senior analyst from our
Speaker:Shanghai office. How, how are you doing today?
Speaker:I'm doing great. How are you, David? I. Not too bad.
Speaker:Not too bad. Can't complain. The weather is not that bad here in London
Speaker:and we have a lot of questions about what's happening in the iron
Speaker:ore market. So I will start with one. So
Speaker:we have a price stabilization at around $107 to
Speaker:$180. Now do you see
Speaker:any directional movement? Looking at the near term,
Speaker:I saw. Some difference in iron ore market in the last two
Speaker:weeks. In particular on physical side,
Speaker:iron ore saw some bottom hunting buyers following
Speaker:after each correction of features. But for most of the time
Speaker:previously, earlier this year, or earlier in
Speaker:each of the year, 80% of the time at least, physical buyers were
Speaker:chasing high. Well, there was rumors saying about
Speaker:China started to support refinancing projects on
Speaker:affordable houses. Which is the good news?
Speaker:Well, the bad news sites several provinces in China
Speaker:published production restrictions on steels. Well,
Speaker:however, the market said some mills potentially rushed some working hours
Speaker:to produce more steels in Q two and Q three instead of Q four.
Speaker:But we are not sure about it in mid run peak hour and
Speaker:consumption was stable in at least
Speaker:for June. But there will be more June
Speaker:lickings from Australia. So slight bearish
Speaker:fundamentals. If June margin started to widen
Speaker:the iron ore could see better picture in short run. So
Speaker:in general I don't see a clear directional movement iron
Speaker:ore to be honest at this point. Thanks.
Speaker:How and do you have any suggestions on the spreads?
Speaker:I think for the active spreads, for example, July
Speaker:August 2424 has decreased
Speaker:to as low as forty cents to forty five cents
Speaker:which fell into 10% or less on the low
Speaker:range. However, we insist on that timing is not right
Speaker:because we're not convincing that a bullish run is looming.
Speaker:Short run. In other words, if we saw signals
Speaker:of the recovery and all right side spread buying
Speaker:opportunities with calm, however, it is worth a try.
Speaker:If spread narrow to as low as
Speaker:$0.35 or even $0.30, that's an absolutely
Speaker:low level. Once spread goes up, it could double from
Speaker:the current level. So it is worth to take a look at the current
Speaker:spread level at this timing, but not a good timing just to
Speaker:rush in. Thank you very much. How.
Speaker:Thank you. And now
Speaker:let's talk about fuel oil with our broker Archie
Speaker:Smith. Archie, thank you very much for joining us again. Thank you for
Speaker:having me again. A pleasure as always. So let's talk about
Speaker:fuel oil. Crude has fully recouped the OPEC meeting
Speaker:losses and has even pushed higher than the previous levels.
Speaker:What do you think there is actually supporting the market?
Speaker:Yeah, I think there's a few things. Risk sentiment
Speaker:definitely feels better. I think people, market players have got a bit more appetite
Speaker:for risk at the minute. Another thing
Speaker:is, we actually had API data come out
Speaker:last night showing a build in
Speaker:crude stockpiles. This would usually be quite bearish, but I think
Speaker:that kind of testament to the feel of the market, they've come kind of
Speaker:just looked right through it and it's made no difference at all. I think there
Speaker:was a crude build of about 2.4 million barrels around
Speaker:that level. And yeah, normally, obviously we see crude come off a little bit off
Speaker:on that kind of number. Nothing's happened. But yeah, I mean, going to what you
Speaker:said after that OPEC meeting at the beginning of the month, the
Speaker:benchmark, the August Brent future benchmark,
Speaker:came down to a low of 76. 76. And
Speaker:when I left my desk, we was just kind of trading just over the 85
Speaker:level. So, I mean, you know, that's, that's up like $9
Speaker:almost in the space of a few weeks. So, yeah, certainly quite
Speaker:bullish in that sense. I think you could argue that
Speaker:another supporting factor is the US going into driving
Speaker:season. That's normally where we see quite a big shift in
Speaker:demand. That being said, I actually saw a statistic this
Speaker:week that the gasoline demand in the US was down 17% year
Speaker:on year, which is pretty drastic, although I
Speaker:think the market expects that to pick up. And yeah, driving season is
Speaker:a usual kind of seasonal demand factor that you could put into this
Speaker:equation. As well as risk sentiment. I think other
Speaker:commodities are rising in price, equities rising in price. I think
Speaker:it's all just kind of green market. Really.
Speaker:Good news for the investors then. Yes, good news for the longs. Exactly.
Speaker:For the bulls and in the high sulfur fuel oil, what's
Speaker:happening there? Yeah, so it's really been
Speaker:rallying at the minute, which again comes as a bit of
Speaker:a surprise. I thought off the back of the Opec meeting, all the high
Speaker:sulfur stuff was going to come softer. This is
Speaker:because obviously OpEc said that they looking at
Speaker:maybe trickling some supply. Back in Q four, a lot of the
Speaker:OPEC crudes are sour crudes. So high sulfur content and
Speaker:therefore a lot of the high sulfur fuel oils are a byproduct of refining these
Speaker:crudes. So, with more of those crudes in the market, I thought there'd be more
Speaker:abundance of high sulfur fuel oil or, well, there would be more abundance of high
Speaker:sulfur fuel oil. And therefore, I sort of thought that the high sulfur
Speaker:market structure would soften. We're actually seeing the opposite.
Speaker:It's really rallying, maybe because there is still
Speaker:tightness. We're not at Q four yet. We're still looking
Speaker:at front month and Q three. There is still tightness from less
Speaker:OPEC sour crude supply. I think another thing is
Speaker:we've seen in the trading windows, we've
Speaker:seen quite a lot of bidding it up, a lot
Speaker:of window plays. I mean, the 380 spreads,
Speaker:they're up. I think they were kind of sitting steady around the $8 per
Speaker:barrel. Sorry, $8 per metric ton mark. This is the July Augie 380
Speaker:spread. So the front spread. Yeah, I've been sitting around the $8 mark for
Speaker:last kind of week, just over a week, and then yesterday it rallied, and
Speaker:today it's trading around $10.50. So quite a substantial
Speaker:over $2 rally. Again, not hearing much from the market,
Speaker:fundamentally, I think it could definitely be a few
Speaker:big physical guys rolling their exposure. There's a few things to look
Speaker:at again. The Rotterdam high sulfur barge crack as well.
Speaker:That's up, like a dollar on the week. So, yeah, the whole high sulfur structure
Speaker:is rallying. So, yeah, be one to sort of look out for.
Speaker:Very good. Also, like, something to look for is the euros. What's your
Speaker:prediction? Who's going to win? My prediction is I've thought through this quite
Speaker:carefully. I think it's going to be England Portugal
Speaker:final. Obviously,
Speaker:I want England to win, but you got to keep your head on your shoulders.
Speaker:We are notorious at choking it at the final hurdle.
Speaker:So I'm hedged either way. Right. If England
Speaker:win, I'm happy emotionally, if Portugal win, I
Speaker:win money on a bet. So either way, if that's what the final is, and
Speaker:that's what it comes to, I'm win win either way.
Speaker:That's. That's a very good way to put it. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, you heard
Speaker:it first. Okay. According to our emotional
Speaker:hedge. Emotional hedge, exactly. So, England, Portugal.
Speaker:Well, I mean, like, I am, of course, biased, so I don't really agree with
Speaker:the prediction. But regardless of that, Archie, always a pleasure having you.
Speaker:So I will see you. We will talk to you again in two weeks time.
Speaker:Is that all right? We'll get an update on the euros. Exactly. Yeah. We'll have
Speaker:it as a separate section from now on until the end. Thank you very much.
Speaker:Nice one. Thank you, mate.
Speaker:And now let's talk about dry freight with our resident in
Speaker:Copenhagen, Ben Clank. Ben, how are you doing?
Speaker:Very well, thank you. A bit of traveling lately, so it's nice to
Speaker:be back. Yes. So excited about today's
Speaker:show. Very good, very good. Ben, let me ask you
Speaker:the first question. What can you tell us about the FFA
Speaker:rates? What happened last week's in the market?
Speaker:Well, the Baltic Exchange headline drive figures
Speaker:increased again last week, but this time around the rise
Speaker:was actually supported by the mill size and the smaller vessels.
Speaker:If we start with the Cape market had its low start to the
Speaker:week due to the holidays in Asia. And on Tuesday, with
Speaker:reports from the decline in demand in the Pacific, June was
Speaker:trading down to $24,000. The rest of the week
Speaker:we saw rates rebounding off. Tuesdays low. By
Speaker:Friday, June capes were trading to highs at
Speaker:25 425. But, you know, the
Speaker:real star of the show last week was actually the paramaxes. There was a
Speaker:significant growth in the market driven by a strong demand
Speaker:in the Atlantic that was mostly gradient centric.
Speaker:And the index rose by 1525. Sorry,
Speaker:27 points, reaching a month highs. By
Speaker:Tuesday, June had traded up to 15, four and
Speaker:July up to 16,000. By Friday,
Speaker:rates has pushed all the way up to 15, nine, seven,
Speaker:five and then similarly the supermaxes
Speaker:absurd growth, though to more modest rate last
Speaker:week. On Monday there was little movement, closing flat to Friday with
Speaker:July at 15,000. But however, as
Speaker:the Atlantic trips gained some traction, we saw
Speaker:rates, though they appeared slightly
Speaker:suppressed by the weaker asian market. Nevertheless, you
Speaker:know, on Friday we were seeing June and July both hitting
Speaker:highs 49 and 50 and 650.
Speaker:Thanks, Ben. And can you maybe tell us something more
Speaker:about what was going on in the markets? On the physical side?
Speaker:Yes, of course. I mean, last week, capesized
Speaker:spot and prompt contracts ended. We embarge no
Speaker:losses, though some midweek optimistic fuel by strong
Speaker:iron ore and coal demand in the Pacific kept the market from
Speaker:declining too strongly. However, holidays in Asia
Speaker:and eight tempered the market, causing Pacific
Speaker:rates to drop below their starting points. With a c five iron ore
Speaker:route rates initially falling from
Speaker:ten dollars seventy cents to ten dollars thirty cents
Speaker:before rebounding to $10.60.
Speaker:Weekly Cape iron ore shipment bounced back to
Speaker:33.1 million tonnes, a
Speaker:14.5% increase. And
Speaker:coal shipments rose by 32.6%
Speaker:to 7.6 million tonnes, reflecting
Speaker:a positive demand outlook amidst tight
Speaker:less vessel supply. On the other hand,
Speaker:Panamax rate strengthened luxweg amid robust activity
Speaker:in the air in the atlantic basin and high
Speaker:demands for coal and grain, with coal shipments rising by
Speaker:2.9% to 15 million tonnes and
Speaker:grain shipments increasing to 5.8
Speaker:million tonnes. Despite this, minor
Speaker:bulk shipments declined for the third consecutive week,
Speaker:dropping by 8.4% to
Speaker:3.6 million tonne. Notable
Speaker:fixtures included South Atlantic trip with
Speaker:82 kt of grains initially fixed over
Speaker:21,500, dipping midweek
Speaker:to 18,750 and then firming
Speaker:up to 22,250, while asian
Speaker:coal shipments from Indonesia to west coast India
Speaker:fixed in the lows to mid eleven s and
Speaker:air to Singapore Japan at 17 500.
Speaker:Conversely, there was limited grain inquiries in the asian
Speaker:market, with a Pacific round trip
Speaker:rumored to be fixed at 1605 to
Speaker:16 715. Thank you very much Ben for
Speaker:your update, has been very useful as always and I
Speaker:wish you a nice day. And that's it for this
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