Welcome to another episode of Freight Up, your go-to source for the latest news and insights in the freight and bulk commodity markets.
I'm Jess, and today, along with Davide, we'll bring you up to date on recent market movements.
Our expert line-up this week includes Hao Pei, who'll shed light on the reasons behind the sharp drop in iron ore prices, Archie Smith with his analysis on the oil market post-OPEC meeting, and our old friend Rob Belcher, who'll provide insights into the steel and scrap market.
Additionally, we'll cover the latest acquisition news with FIS acquiring GR8 Chartering in Athens, and update you on global inflation figures and broad market movements.
Listen in for an episode packed with essential updates and expert opinions to keep you informed and ahead in the freight and commodity landscape!
Useful links:
Timestamped summary
00:00 UK inflation down, Japan down, Euro up.
03:46 Silver and iron ore markets see drops.
09:08 Narrowing spread between high and low sulphur.
12:12 German construction slows, prices remain subdued.
14:37 Turkish scrap and rebar market trends summarised.
16:18 Subscribe for the latest freight and commodity analysis.
This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis:
Podder - https://www.podderapp.com/privacy-policy
Hello and welcome back to freight up. My name is Jess and together with
Speaker:Davide we'll be your hosts as we navigate our major freight and bulk commodity
Speaker:markets. In this episode, Halpe will look at the reasons behind the
Speaker:recent drop in iron ore. Archie Smith gives us his take on the oil market
Speaker:and an old friend of the podcast, Rob Belcher, will give us his take on
Speaker:the steel and scrap market. Hello. Hello everybody. I hope that
Speaker:you've been doing okay since you last heard from us. As
Speaker:usual, lets have a first look at the latest news and the index
Speaker:movements since our last episode two weeks ago.
Speaker:Lets start with some personal news. We are happy to announce that FIS
Speaker:has acquired GR eight chartering helias in Athens,
Speaker:Greece. GR eight Chartering was founded in June
Speaker:2023 as a broker for vessels of dry cargo
Speaker:of all sizes and provides market intelligence and insights,
Speaker:pricing and consulting on negotiations, operations and maritime
Speaker:regulations. Its brokerage team in Athens will complement and
Speaker:enhance the existing FIS offering of derivatives in freight and
Speaker:commodities. The acquisition will bring GR eight Chartering's
Speaker:expertise in physical shipping into the FIS group and increase its
Speaker:presence in Greece, one of shipping market's key geographies.
Speaker:Now let's look at some inflation figures. In the UK, the rate
Speaker:went down to 2.3% in April, hitting the lowest since July
Speaker:2021 in comparison to the 3.2 if
Speaker:in March. In Japan, the annual inflation also decreased to
Speaker:2.5% in April from 2.7% in
Speaker:March. The preliminary estimates for the euro area show an
Speaker:increase for the first time in five months to 2.6% in
Speaker:May from 2.4% in each of the previous two months.
Speaker:In China, the Caixin general manufacturing PMI
Speaker:rose to 51.7 points in May 2024 from
Speaker:51.4 in April, surpassing the estimates of
Speaker:51.5. In the US, the ISM manufacturing
Speaker:PMI index unexpectedly edged lower to 48.7
Speaker:points in May 2024 from 49.2 in April,
Speaker:below the forecast of 49.6 points.
Speaker:And now let's take a quick look at the broad market movements
Speaker:of the last two weeks. Index wise, we have seen a much
Speaker:quieter market on freight. Gone are the days of the 30% to
Speaker:50% moves on the index, and the easy ebb and flow of
Speaker:summer trading is already here. The four dry freight basket
Speaker:rates have all been within a one 2000 range.
Speaker:The c five DC closing yesterday at
Speaker:23,545, up 1500
Speaker:from two weeks ago. B five tc went down to
Speaker:$15,012 from sixteen thousand four hundred and
Speaker:one s ten tc
Speaker:13,920 down from
Speaker:15,200 and the handicyes index printed
Speaker:yesterday just shy of 13,000. Iron ore has seen
Speaker:a sharp drop over the past two weeks, down from $120
Speaker:a tonne to $106.80 yesterday. High port
Speaker:inventories and lingering concerns about the sustainability of the
Speaker:chinese economic stimulus has clearly waited on the market, but stay
Speaker:tuned because we have more about that later on. Finally, let's have
Speaker:a look at the fuel oils. They've been dragged down by declining crude
Speaker:prices. They've generally dropped as well. In fact, single five
Speaker:printed yesterday at $560 with these high
Speaker:sulfur equivalent of $494 down around
Speaker:$15 on the prior week.
Speaker:Next we have Hao Pei, senior analyst from our Shanghai office what
Speaker:caused the sharp drop of iron ore over the past two weeks? I
Speaker:think first of all the drop fell into our
Speaker:expectation. We mentioned in mid May the ferrous
Speaker:possibly see sharp correction when the crowded trades on
Speaker:cobra and silver stopped. The positions of silver
Speaker:in major exchange evaporated significantly during the past two
Speaker:weeks. So that's one external factor on the
Speaker:fundamental side. As we mentioned in the last few
Speaker:reports in iron ore see higher supplies and
Speaker:inventories in May and June. However, the consumption side
Speaker:the daily picked iron production in China fell slightly. The
Speaker:similar condition happened in Southeast Asia as well and
Speaker:oversupply was very obvious on iron ore market
Speaker:and virtual steel margin recovered from
Speaker:55 yuan per ton to 78 yuan potential
Speaker:last week. However, this number was still at
Speaker:seasonal low so that was the other contributor on the
Speaker:fundamental side. So both pointed to the fact that
Speaker:iron ore is bearish. Ok then,
Speaker:so having said that, how do you see iron ore prices in June and
Speaker:July? I have been frequently asked for this
Speaker:question during the past week since some of the traders
Speaker:potentially are thinking of shifting positions to longer terms.
Speaker:That's why we see the structures is becoming flat
Speaker:on iron on market. So in short run I think the sharp drop
Speaker:depend on the macro environment change. For example, if gold and
Speaker:silver correct to q four lasted to
Speaker:the level similar to Q four last year, which means probably
Speaker:25% to 30% of let's just make an assumption
Speaker:from the highest level of the year. So the rest of metals should fall as
Speaker:well. But normally that won't happen. But on fundamental
Speaker:side I think iron ore should see lower place in the rest
Speaker:of 2024 in the next two months. So the current level
Speaker:is not the lowest. So since oversupply caused
Speaker:a consistent problem through May and June and however
Speaker:fairly less consumption of steels constructions
Speaker:used to launch deals are expected lower in June as well
Speaker:as the flat steels are getting lower on the export
Speaker:side because the rainy seasons in Asia and high tariffs
Speaker:on the export side make China exported steel less
Speaker:competitive in european market. And I think the low margin
Speaker:is also one problem as well. So I think all the fundamental
Speaker:indicators were resisting iron ore emit run from
Speaker:a big rebound. So from other words, I think the iron
Speaker:ore price is still on the mutual bearish
Speaker:side in June or early July, at least
Speaker:from my point of view. Thank you very much, Hal. That was very good
Speaker:insight. And I'll see you in two weeks. Thank you. Bye.
Speaker:And now let's talk about fuel oil with Archie
Speaker:Smith. Archie, thank you very much for joining us again.
Speaker:Always a pleasure to welcome you in the booth. How are you doing today? Pleasure
Speaker:to be on, mate. Thank you very much. So I have a question for you
Speaker:as always. So we've seen a very range bone for like
Speaker:crude, but now it seems that June has brought all this, all the excitement. So
Speaker:can you tell us more about the result of the OPEC meeting and what this
Speaker:has done to the prices? Sure. So, yeah, as you said, may,
Speaker:we were very much stuck between sort of like an 81 and 85
Speaker:range, pretty directionless. And then OPEC had the meeting on
Speaker:Sunday. And basically the conclusion of that meeting
Speaker:was that the OPEC plus members were going to continue their
Speaker:ongoing output cuts until through Q three of this year. And
Speaker:then for Q four, they're going to start trickling more supply back
Speaker:into the market. So the main OPec producers are going to start trickling
Speaker:crude back into the market in Q four, and the rest of the members kind
Speaker:of, the smaller producers will keep their cuts into 2025. But obviously,
Speaker:you know, the main bulk of crude oil comes out of those main
Speaker:guys, you know, your Saudi Arabia, et cetera, et cetera, usual
Speaker:suspects. And this is massively bearish. I don't think any analysts expected
Speaker:these producers to start bringing more output into the market
Speaker:for a little while yet. So for it to be so soon in Q four,
Speaker:markets taken a very bearish sentiment Monday morning trading straight after
Speaker:the meeting. It was a little bit sideways, but certainly
Speaker:with a bearish sentiment. And then the markets kind of trickled down to the
Speaker:$80 per barrel mark in the morning. And then as soon as we hit
Speaker:that mark, I think there was a lot of technical stop out levels there. And
Speaker:I certainly think thats a big psychological level as well, the 80 mark. So as
Speaker:soon as we kind of hit that, we just dropped all throughout the
Speaker:afternoon. We went down to 76 75, I think is
Speaker:one of the lowest prices we've had. So it's come off about almost
Speaker:5% this week. Like I said, it's off the back of the OPEC meeting
Speaker:with people anticipating more supply. I think it also jumps
Speaker:onto the existing environment of poor
Speaker:demand outlook and weak economic data coming out of the
Speaker:US and China. It's added onto that and it's all snowballed. And we're finally
Speaker:seeing some movements in the crude. We're really coming off.
Speaker:Certainly think we could see it come even weaker.
Speaker:And on the I five s instead, they've been moving around quite a
Speaker:lot. So, like, I don't know if you can tell us a little bit what's
Speaker:happening there. This, I think has a link to the,
Speaker:to the crude movements as well. So the high fives, for those who are maybe
Speaker:new to the podcast or don't know what the high five spread is, it's the
Speaker:differential in price between the high sulfur fuel oil and the low sulfur fuel
Speaker:oil. Low sulfur fuel oil traditionally is always more expensive because it's more refined,
Speaker:it's cleaner, less sulfur, and obviously the high sulfur cheaper. We are seeing
Speaker:this spread now narrow a lot. So this Singh, if we're looking at the Singh
Speaker:high five, the cal 25 Singh high five is kind of hovering around
Speaker:the barrel mark, and in the front it's in like the high eighties. So like
Speaker:an $80 difference between your low sulfur and high sulfur is really low, certainly the
Speaker:lowest we've seen it in quite a while. And this is just coming from strength
Speaker:in the, in the high sulfur fuel, more so than weakness in the low
Speaker:sulfur fuel kind of links to the crude, because often when crude and high sulfur
Speaker:often have a inverse relationship. So with crude coming off, high
Speaker:sulfur becomes more expensive. And
Speaker:another thing is the kind of ongoing lack
Speaker:of physical high sulfur supply. A lot of the OPEC countries
Speaker:and, you know, Saudi and Russia, they are, their crude is known to be high
Speaker:sulfur content very is called heavy crude, which is where the kind of high sulfur
Speaker:fuel oil comes from. So with less of that in circulation at the moment, from
Speaker:all the output cuts, it's just kind of harder to get hold of. And another
Speaker:thing I'd mention is power generation season in the Middle east. As they
Speaker:get into their summer, the demand for the high sulfur stuff really, really spikes there.
Speaker:And I think those are a few of the things as to why we're seeing
Speaker:strength in the high sulfur, thus narrower high fives. I
Speaker:see. And then we hope that the summer will finally arrive also here in London,
Speaker:because, like, I'm really looking forward to just like, drop my umbrella
Speaker:somewhere hidden in my apartment and don't take it like, until, I
Speaker:don't know if you. Saw, but there was a, I think BBC News said
Speaker:that apparently it was the hottest, maybe the warmest
Speaker:may in this country on record. Where have they got that from?
Speaker:Anyway, Archie, always a pleasure. Thank you very much, as always, for
Speaker:joining us today. And as always, we can maybe do it again in two
Speaker:weeks time and then we can give our listeners also, like, an update on the
Speaker:weather, for sure. Yeah, we'll turn it to work podcasts as well. Cheers. Bye
Speaker:bye. Thank you very much. And now let's talk
Speaker:about steel and scrap with head of steel, Rob Belcher. Rob,
Speaker:thank you very much for joining us today. How are you doing? Very well, thank
Speaker:you. Thank you for having me. So I would like to start with the first
Speaker:question. So I was wondering if you can tell us what's going on on the
Speaker:european hot rolled coil market this year. Yeah, certainly can. So
Speaker:let's rewind to the start of the year. So in Jan, we saw a brief
Speaker:spike in prices as some buyers restocked their inventories. The
Speaker:Argus european hot rolled index kicked off 2024
Speaker:at 692 spot €25 per tonne.
Speaker:Exworks that climbed to 750 54 spot
Speaker:€5 per tonne. By the end of Jan, however, this upward trend
Speaker:was short lived, much like my New Year's resolutions. Since
Speaker:then, we've seen a steady decline in demand,
Speaker:challenging macroeconomic environment characterized mainly
Speaker:by high interest rates. It's significantly impacted sort of real
Speaker:consumption. Construction activity, especially in Germany, has nearly ground to
Speaker:a halt once the driving force of the european economy. Germany is now
Speaker:struggling a bit like England versus Italy in that euro cup final
Speaker:four years ago. And no, I'm still not bit. By April
Speaker:22, the index has dropped to its lowest point this year at
Speaker:623 spot €75 per tonne and
Speaker:has shown little improvement since. As of 3 June
Speaker:is holding steady at 635 spot €5 per
Speaker:tonne. I mean, there was a slight restocking surge in April, but prices
Speaker:remain subdued. High import levels and continued production by
Speaker:larger EU mills aimed at maintaining their free carbon emission
Speaker:allowances so have kept prices from rising. The futures contract
Speaker:volumes on the CME are teetering just under the 400 kt mark year
Speaker:to date. This is a slight decline on year on year growth since the launch
Speaker:of the contract, but the second half this year seems like it's poised for volume
Speaker:growth, with the european economic outlook becoming marginally
Speaker:clearer. Thanks, Rob. And we spoke about Europe
Speaker:and what about our friends across the Atlantic in the US. Yeah, so the
Speaker:us hot roll call prices have really declined over the last month now
Speaker:about $750 per tonne. This marks
Speaker:a 9.6% drop in May. Service
Speaker:centers avoid spot buying, relying on contracts due to the
Speaker:ample spot availability you see in domestic mill lead times are
Speaker:still steady around three to five weeks. I mean, demand is weak in sectors like
Speaker:construction and truck trailer manufacturing. We've subdued buying
Speaker:expected throughout the summer, but there is a plot twist. There's speculation
Speaker:that domestic prices may stabilise soon as interest
Speaker:rates in offshore orders remain low due to long
Speaker:lead times. New call's recent price dropped to
Speaker:70%. Tonne has really thrown a sort of
Speaker:curveball, with some predicting low prices through the summer to attract sort of
Speaker:2025 contract commitments, with large buyers holding
Speaker:out significant discounts. But no major deals have
Speaker:emerged yet. As the HRC supply increases, mills are expected to sort
Speaker:of maintain wider spreads to value added products
Speaker:compared to historic levels. And we're looking at just shy of two and a half
Speaker:million tonnes trade on the CME futures contract year to date, with the options
Speaker:contract having a strong first half of the year coming in at just under 375
Speaker:five kt. Thanks Rob. And
Speaker:finally, what's the latest on the turkish scrap and reba? So
Speaker:turkish scrap and rebar, I mean, since dropping below the sort of
Speaker:$400 a tonne CFR price in Feb,
Speaker:scrap prices have been floating around the sort of 300 7380
Speaker:range, occasionally nudged by restocking and rebar demand.
Speaker:Mid May saw some offers from the us and baltic regions around the
Speaker:382 mark, despite rising collection costs in the Baltics.
Speaker:In April, the CFR Turkey price averaged at 3.85,
Speaker:but east of 3.82.5. In early May, rebar producers,
Speaker:especially in the is Kendra region, ramped up their scrap
Speaker:inventories due to stronger domestic demand. Turkish rebar
Speaker:export prices have been stuck in the sort of 500
Speaker:$8585 per tonne fob range. With
Speaker:mills struggling to raise prices after losing Israel as a major export
Speaker:market, they're now giving Europe and Latin America the eye. Though demand
Speaker:there really remains limited. So mills aim to keep
Speaker:scrap rebar conversion costs at about $200
Speaker:per tonne, but really, really close to breakeven. So think sort of
Speaker:tightrope walking without a net. In the near term, turkish scrap prices
Speaker:should average around the $390 per tonne
Speaker:mark with some support from the construction sector. However, rebuy
Speaker:export opportunities maybe remain limited as ever the
Speaker:LME scrap futures contract volumes remain strong, with just shy of
Speaker:3 million tonnes traded year to date. The volume growth looks to continue
Speaker:throughout the second half of the year, and more and more physical customers entering
Speaker:the market. This market is one roaring kitty Reddit post
Speaker:off becoming the next commodity futures powerhouse. Let's see how it will go in
Speaker:the next few months then. Thank you very much, Rob, for joining us.
Speaker:Cheers. Thank you. And that's it for this week.
Speaker:Make sure to subscribe by clicking the subscribe button and wherever you get your
Speaker:podcast. Also make sure to follow us on LinkedIn or get signed up on our
Speaker:app FIS live to make sure you never miss any freight and quantity analysis from
Speaker:FIS. Thanks again for joining us and see you in two weeks time on
Speaker:FIS Freight and commodity podcast. Freight up.