In this episode of "Freight Up", we're discussing the impact of Russian sanctions on HSFO and Tarrifs on ferrous.
We also look at the wider shifts in the freight and bulk commodity markets.
Hi, I'm Jess from the Freight Investor Services podcast team and I’m here to guide you through a packed agenda featuring expert insights that promise to arm you with the knowledge you need to navigate these turbulent times.
We're kicking things off with updates from Ben Klang as he breaks down market responses to new international tariffs and their implications for dry freight.
Then, we'll turn to Hao Pei for a detailed look at the impact of recent cyclones on iron ore supply and the subtle tug-of-war playing out between US and Australia over coking coal markets.
And then Archie Smith and Lewis Johns bring significant updates on how Russian sanctions are rippling through the high-sulphur fuel oil sector.
Timestamped summary
00:00 Freight Markets & Economic Updates
03:52 Hurricanes Impact Australia's Iron Ore Supply
09:49 China's Manufacturing Slowdown Signals Concerns
12:31 Crude Futures Under Pressure
15:18 U.S. Crude Fills Europe's Supply Gap
18:39 Shipping Market Optimism Amid Risks
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Freight up. Hello and
Speaker:welcome back to Freight up, the Freighting Quantity podcast of Freight Investor Services.
Speaker:I'm Jess and we'll be navigating our major freight and bulk commodity
Speaker:markets together. We'll be joined by Ben Klang giving his regular update on
Speaker:the freight markets, followed by a discussion with Archie Smith and Lewis Jones on the
Speaker:latest trends shaping the fuel oil market. And finally, how pay
Speaker:on iron ore and coking coal. Let's first look at the
Speaker:latest news and index movements of the last two weeks.
Speaker:The unemployment rate in the euro area reached up to
Speaker:6.3% in December 2024, rising slightly
Speaker:from a revised record low of 6.2% in November, in line with
Speaker:market expectations. Meanwhile, the eurozone economy unexpectedly
Speaker:stalled in Q4 2024, marking its weakest performance
Speaker:of the year. This follows a 0.4% expansion in
Speaker:Q3, which analysts originally forecasted as a modest
Speaker:0.1% growth for Q4. However, instead of expanding, the
Speaker:economy flatlined. Adding to the concerns, the bloc's two largest
Speaker:economies contracted. Germany's GDP shrunk by
Speaker:0.2%, while France dipped by 0.1%. Italy,
Speaker:on the other hand, remained stagnant for a second straight quarter. On the
Speaker:inflation front, price pressures ticked higher. The annual inflation rate in the
Speaker:euro area rose to 2.5% in January 2025,
Speaker:up from 2.4% in December, slightly above expectations.
Speaker:This marks the highest inflation rate since July 2024,
Speaker:signaling that inflationary pressure remains a challenge. Turning to central
Speaker:banks, the Federal Reserve held interest rates steady at
Speaker:4.25% to 4.5% during its January
Speaker:2025 meeting. As widely expected, after three
Speaker:consecutive rate cuts in 2024 totaling a full percentage point,
Speaker:the Fed has now paused its rate cutting cycle as it assesses economic
Speaker:conditions. Meanwhile in Europe, the European Central bank lowered
Speaker:its key interest rates by 25 basis points in January
Speaker:2025, also in line with forecasts. This brought the
Speaker:deposit facility rate down to
Speaker:2.75%. The main refinancing rate to
Speaker:2.9% and marginal lending rate to
Speaker:3.15%. Back in the US inflation data
Speaker:showed a slight uptick. The core PCE price index, which
Speaker:strips out volatile food and energy prices, rose by
Speaker:0.2% in December 2024, matching
Speaker:expectations and inching up from the six month low of
Speaker:0.1% in November.
Speaker:What about the market movements over the last two weeks? Let's take a quick
Speaker:look. So over the past two weeks we've seen a mixed performance across
Speaker:products, with a general downward trend. In most cases, the
Speaker:C5TC index has experienced a decline, dropping
Speaker:from 10,647 on the 21st of January to
Speaker:6,998 on the 4th of Feb, signaling some
Speaker:weakening. Similarly, the S10TC and the
Speaker:HS7TC have followed a downward trajectory
Speaker:with the 710TC falling from
Speaker:$6,848 to
Speaker:$5,615 and the HS7TC
Speaker:slipped from $7,854 to
Speaker:$6,679 over the same two week
Speaker:period. However, the P5TC bucked this trend,
Speaker:recovering from 6,736 on the 28th of
Speaker:January to 8,112 on the 4th of
Speaker:Feb after initial drop from
Speaker:$7,862. Overall, the market
Speaker:appeared to be softening with the P5TC standing out as the only product
Speaker:showing some
Speaker:Next we have Hao, our analyst from Shanghai. Hi Hao, hi
Speaker:Jeff, we'll start by asking what the impact of
Speaker:the two cyclones have had on supply of iron ore
Speaker:during earlier this week. It's reported that two
Speaker:strong tropical cyclones warmed into hurricanes
Speaker:over the Sea of West Australia this week
Speaker:and so far both cyclones moved out of the coastal areas
Speaker:which is far from the major shipping lanes as well.
Speaker:So on late Tuesday and I think at
Speaker:late afternoon today, both ports recovered
Speaker:operation which was few hours
Speaker:ago, but we haven't received official letters but we see
Speaker:some of the news popping out and however I think Real
Speaker:Tinto has estimated shipping loss
Speaker:already, but there's several analysts saying it's
Speaker:100 million tons of iron ore shipment at
Speaker:most for the impact during the last three days
Speaker:and weekends. People are thinking and trying to
Speaker:speculate a bit on this because Brio Tinto will announce the
Speaker:details on February 19th about its
Speaker:annual production and Q1 production
Speaker:estimates. So that's why people are concerned about it.
Speaker:And from my perspective the impact should be niche
Speaker:to the oversupply of iron ore because China still
Speaker:have 150 million port stocks of iron ore which
Speaker:was a seasonal high and a two year or three year high. And
Speaker:in addition we see India demand is entering a
Speaker:light season from mid February, so I think many
Speaker:ships will be delayed instead of loss and on
Speaker:the worst circumstance given 150 million
Speaker:tons of loss, the overall supply to Asia looks still big
Speaker:in February and March. In general I think iron ore was in an
Speaker:oversupply condition in entire Q1 and
Speaker:I'm thinking the price is not sustainable at the current level
Speaker:unless some other Extreme weather like heavy rains
Speaker:and ore cyclones happening in the next few
Speaker:weeks. So we've talked about US tariffs
Speaker:with Ben during the freight section. But what are the impacts of the
Speaker:tariffs imposed on US coal from China? I
Speaker:think the market is pretty divergent on the understanding of the
Speaker:coal market. I think first of all we all know u. S announced
Speaker:a 10 race on all goods exported from China and
Speaker:then China imposed the 15% of tariffs on coal
Speaker:products exported from us I think in short run
Speaker:as we saw since China is one major buyer US
Speaker:coking coal, a tariff increase means more coking co is
Speaker:going to squeeze into the Australian or in
Speaker:other words Pacific prime coal market. So which lead
Speaker:to an oversupply as well as a drop on the
Speaker:FOBCC price over the past week and this week.
Speaker:But I think in the long run if China is importing more
Speaker:Australian prime ccs instead of the US so which
Speaker:could provide enough support for the Australian coking
Speaker:co and for China domestic coking code. The supply from Mongolia
Speaker:and Russia and other countries were still very sufficient
Speaker:in 2024 so and which is expected to
Speaker:remain high growth in 2025. So the decrease of second
Speaker:year raised CC was less significant. I think the major point
Speaker:was still on the prime C. I think when the construction
Speaker:season come in April plus the low price in
Speaker:Australian Tolkien co. I'm not negative but I'm even
Speaker:slight positive on the current low price of Apple B Australian
Speaker:coking co. I think there could be some room for the coking to
Speaker:uptick. If we look in the longer run, it should have
Speaker:a better cost efficiency. Very informative as
Speaker:usual. Thank you very much, Hal. Thank you. Jazz.
Speaker:Welcome back to the podcast. Ben, you're here to break down the latest
Speaker:developments in the dry freight market and key pricing trends from the past reporting
Speaker:period. It's great to have you back. Thank you. Always good to be
Speaker:here, Jess. All right, let's jump straight in. The big
Speaker:headlines from this last reporting period has
Speaker:been the new rounds of tariffs announced by the Trump administration. How has that
Speaker:played out in the freight market? Yes, big news for shipping
Speaker:and commodities. As we all saw over the weekend, Trump
Speaker:signed three executive orders. 25%
Speaker:tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports, plus the
Speaker:10% Levi on Chinese goods. And while
Speaker:the Canada and Mexico tariff has been delayed, China has already
Speaker:hit back with its own tariff and even hinted at possible
Speaker:sanctions on US firms like Google. I mean, that
Speaker:said, I would say that China's response seems quite
Speaker:measured. They're basically leaving room for negotiation instead
Speaker:of escalating this into full blown trade
Speaker:war. All right, and if these tariffs were to move ahead without
Speaker:any further delays or last minute deals coming up, what kind of impacts are
Speaker:we looking at for global trade and more specifically the shipping
Speaker:industry? Well, yes, it's still early, but some effects are
Speaker:inevitable. Higher cuts for goods and slower economic
Speaker:growth are almost guaranteed, especially with the tariffs on China,
Speaker:given its central role in global trade. And for shipping,
Speaker:it's a mixed bag. On one hand, reduced demand due to
Speaker:higher prices could hurt the seaborne cargo volumes. On
Speaker:the other, if supply chains are forced to adapt, we can see
Speaker:shifts in trade routes potentially increasing ton mile
Speaker:demand as goods travel longer distance. So
Speaker:while overall volume might dip, the distance travel
Speaker:could offset some of this decline depending on the sector.
Speaker:Okay, so if we switched gears to the Pacific. Traditionally this
Speaker:period is a little bit quieter because of Chinese New Year, but has anything
Speaker:noteworthy surfaced? Yes, as you say. Despite the
Speaker:seasonal slowdown, there's been some data releases worth
Speaker:noting. China's manufacturing sector shows sign of
Speaker:cooling with its searching Purchasing
Speaker:Managers index coming in at
Speaker:50.1 and that's the weakest expansion since
Speaker:last September. That's a step down from
Speaker:50.5 in December. And you know, while
Speaker:it's still technically in growth territory, basically over
Speaker:above 50, the downwards trend is
Speaker:concerning. Even if the official government PMI
Speaker:slipped into contraction recently, this suggests that
Speaker:China's industrial activity and export momentum are under
Speaker:pressure, which could of course ripple through the dry bulk
Speaker:market. And again, given the Chinese outsized
Speaker:influence on dry bulk demand, especially for commodities like
Speaker:iron ore and coal, its slowdown is likely
Speaker:to weigh on the freight rates in the near term. And finally,
Speaker:could you please talk me through the movements in the FFA market over our last
Speaker:podcast period? Yes, there was modest recovery
Speaker:in the last week of the Cape market while pricing regaining losses
Speaker:from the previous week, bringing them roughly in line with the levels
Speaker:from our last podcast. As of yesterday, the Cape
Speaker:Feb contract stands at 9100, up
Speaker:from 8375 on the 21st of
Speaker:Jane from the reporting period low on the
Speaker:24th of seven and a half
Speaker:thousand, while Q2 is at 17,
Speaker:800, up from 16,275
Speaker:at the time of our last podcast. The Panamax market
Speaker:followed a similar pattern with a Q2 contract
Speaker:initially dropping after our last episode, but
Speaker:rebounding last week with a
Speaker:25.3percent increase over the reporting
Speaker:period and as of yesterday was printing at
Speaker:11,625 and that's marking the
Speaker:highest level seen since November. Meanwhile,
Speaker:Supermaxis remained relatively stable throughout the
Speaker:period while the Feb contract priced at
Speaker:7,000 as of yesterday. All right, Ben, thanks for that update.
Speaker:Always great insights. Thank you, Jess. Always a pleasure.
Speaker:Joining me now is Lewis Johns, fuel oil trader at Neruda Capital and familiar
Speaker:face Archie Smith, a regular guest and fuel oil broker at FIS, who will
Speaker:unsurprisingly be discussing the fuel oil market. They'll be unpacking the impact of
Speaker:Russian sanctions on high sulfur fuel oil. So, Lewis and Archie, it's great to
Speaker:have you here. So yeah, I'll just give a quick little synopsis
Speaker:of what crude's been doing recently before I hand over to Louis
Speaker:to start up the bit more of an in depth discussion about the high
Speaker:sulphur complex. Overall, since Trump's been in and this year crude
Speaker:futures have been under pressure. We've come down from sort of 81, 82
Speaker:levels in the front month futures down to now today actually
Speaker:sub 75. Most recently we've had
Speaker:a delay to tariffs that's added downward pressure on prices after I
Speaker:guess, successful talks, if that's the correct word, with Mexico.
Speaker:So those tariffs have been delayed a month. However, I think
Speaker:looking ahead, there is still a lot of uncertainty around
Speaker:the crude futures, especially now with China putting 10%
Speaker:tariffs on US crude imports as sort of a
Speaker:retaliation. It'll be interesting to see if this develops into
Speaker:a real sort of trade war environment. But that was just a quick
Speaker:and brief look at what crude's been doing and now I just want to hand
Speaker:over to Louis to start talking a little bit about the high self markets coming
Speaker:out the back end of 2024 and into this year.
Speaker:Yeah, thank you, Archie. I mean, well, this month's been incredibly busy
Speaker:so far. Russian sanctions have somewhat provided a perfect
Speaker:storm to the market. If you look at Singaporean high Sulfur fuel oil Fed
Speaker:380 fuel cracks are at multi year highs last week trading up to minus
Speaker:40 cents. You're seeing positive 180 cracks off the back of that. Whilst
Speaker:we've slightly softened going into pricing. You've got high sulfur
Speaker:bunker sales continually growing as a percentage of the total alongside
Speaker:some supply constraints. And it's leading to a perfect storm given you've got
Speaker:booming demand and at the same time a massive proportion of the fuel
Speaker:or flying in Singapore is being sanctioned. Yeah, just a quick
Speaker:one on that. Why do you think it's been more sort of visibly aggressive on
Speaker:the Asian side of things? Obviously you mentioned the
Speaker:380 more so than kind of barges and stuff, you know, we
Speaker:Know, both Asia and Europe rely heavily on Russian
Speaker:barrels because of their sort of higher sulfur content. You know, it's a lot of
Speaker:sour crude coming out of Russia. Do you think it's been more aggressive
Speaker:in the Singaporean complex recently because Europe has sort of
Speaker:already adjusted to a lack of Russian flows post
Speaker:Ukraine war? Yeah, exactly. That's sort of the nail on the head.
Speaker:I mean, at the end of January that 380East west traded up to highs of
Speaker:sort of $35 a ton. Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:I mean, for one, the European market's been incredibly strong over the past six
Speaker:months. I think prompt barge cracks have been in single digits
Speaker:since mid September. The European market's also adjusted to a lack
Speaker:of Russian barrels and material post Ukraine and weaned itself off of that, while
Speaker:Singapore is to a degree very dependent. So that's
Speaker:why you're seeing the impact mainly on 380 structure in east west and obviously
Speaker:380 cracks. I think another thing worth mentioning is obviously going a little bit back
Speaker:to what I said at the start with Trump. He's been pretty adamant on the
Speaker:fact that us are going to pump, pump, pump and there's going to be a
Speaker:lot of sort of domestic output there. From what I understand, a lot of the
Speaker:US crudes are a lot sweeter. So I think, you know, if
Speaker:Europe looks to sort of. Well, as it already has, the US
Speaker:I think has filled quite a big supply gap that Russia left and it's a
Speaker:lot of sweeter crudes, lower sulfur content coming over to Europe, which obviously has more
Speaker:of an impact on like 0.5 supply and less sort of high
Speaker:sulfur able to be refined from those sort of barrels. No, definitely. And I
Speaker:mean yesterday we saw, whilst the US Gulf coast is a relatively
Speaker:small market in terms of hedging for end users, I mean
Speaker:there's maximum implications for tariffs on that market. And yesterday we saw the high sulfur
Speaker:up whip saw trading into minus 75 cents a barrel, training
Speaker:out to minus 180 at the end of close, which is, you know, over a
Speaker:dollar a barrel move. It's. Yeah, and there's a lot of macro uncertainty.
Speaker:Right. So what do you think about the high fives as well, Singh? High fives?
Speaker:Euro high fives. Obviously, you know, looking at a lot of our clients do have
Speaker:scrubber fitted vessels or are looking at getting scrubber fitted vessels. So you know what's
Speaker:happening over there? At the time of recording, we're seeing the March seeing high five
Speaker:around $83 a tonne. Whereas if you look further out to Q4
Speaker:25, we're valuing that around $107 a tonne. That just
Speaker:indicates how strong demand is for high sulphur for the first half of the
Speaker:year. Looking at last year's Singh bunker sales, they were for one the
Speaker:highest in record and up 6% from Cal
Speaker:23. High sulfur itself, sales were up 21% year on
Speaker:year. And the VLSFO they were somewhat
Speaker:softer 3% learning Cal 23. So Chi software is growing
Speaker:as a marine fuel and the share of sales is clearly
Speaker:constructive. In December of last year we're looking
Speaker:at high selfish share was 43%. That's a post IMO
Speaker:high. And more broadly, the Q4 of 24 share was
Speaker:41%. That's up 3% from Q4
Speaker:2023. Consistent demand for, as you've said, scrub scrubber fitted
Speaker:vessels and the contango shape of the Singh high five curve, it
Speaker:just, yeah, it's very constructive for bunker sales in Q1, for
Speaker:high silver specifically for sure. And for me now to
Speaker:address the listeners, if there are some of our trading clients
Speaker:here or guys who are looking to trade with us, the high five markets are
Speaker:very good tool for hedging sort of scrubber village vessels and managing the scrubber
Speaker:economy. So and what I want to say is they are super liquid markets. They're
Speaker:liquid products with a lot of market participants in them. And so you
Speaker:know, the high fives. If anyone's got any questions on high fives, you know, please
Speaker:feel free to reach out. We can quote those and trade those. Absolutely no issues.
Speaker:Is there anything else that you wanted to mention, Lewis, since you're the star guest?
Speaker:Yeah. On high selfie. It covers a lot of what's been driving the
Speaker:market is worth maybe mentioning the potential sewers reopening,
Speaker:the implications on 0.5 deal SFO bunkering demand.
Speaker:As of present, we're seeing an incredibly strong European
Speaker:0.5 complex. Fed March euro rallied for all
Speaker:of last month from lows of sort of $4 or $5 last trading $14.
Speaker:Whereas. Whereas pricing in a physical market, the cash versus
Speaker:MOC print was $28 yesterday. I mean it's very, very strong.
Speaker:You think that's been a main sort of another big factor that's been dragging that,
Speaker:that was dragging that Fed March euro spread up as well.
Speaker:Was the differential cash moc for sure. Yeah. Where it's pricing
Speaker:now, but I think it's just a tight market. It's also helped in
Speaker:the Feb east, west weakening we saw last month, it came off from,
Speaker:you know, $42 mid January to right on the lows of
Speaker:$33 a tonne a couple of days ago. Whilst people are
Speaker:optimistic that the Red Sea is going to resume, I think we really need to
Speaker:see, you know, the Joint War Committee of Lloyd's categorize the
Speaker:area as lower risk. It's currently in high risk areas still. So I think people
Speaker:are going to be sat on, still willing to go around the Cape of Good
Speaker:Hope until we see a material change in circumstances. However short
Speaker:term, it looks like we might be turning a corner 100%. And I think, I
Speaker:think one thing I'm just going to end it on as well is on the
Speaker:topic of canals. I think it'd be interesting to see how it plays with.
Speaker:Obviously, Trump has made statements about how he wants to
Speaker:retake the Panama Canal. Obviously find it hard to argue
Speaker:that's had any impact on the fuel market, but if something like that did go
Speaker:ahead, I think it'd be interesting to see how market participants sort of
Speaker:interpret that and what, what happens there. Yeah, exactly. Cool.
Speaker:Thanks, Louis. All right, thanks both of you guys. That was an
Speaker:informative segment. It's always good to have guests on. So thank you for joining
Speaker:us, Louis. And as usual, thank you, Archie. Thank you, Jess. And
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